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andy.carey@uwclub.net's avatar

"Refugees" on a Kent beach. My understanding is that you're not a refugee until the convention country says so by giving you a positive decision, at which point you have refugee status and can work and claim public funds (at least in the UK). Some effectively get granted refugee status ahead of arriving in the UK e.g. Afghan interpreters and Homes For Ukraine. Those who arrive on beaches might claim asylum, and they are 'asylum seekers' until their application is decided (which I could help speed up massively by establishing if they are both French and have come from France). But refugees already by virtue of getting to a UK beach?

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Geoff Leach's avatar

I was a computer programmer or software engineer (same profession but with varying degrees of job title inflation) at different employers from 1987 to 2017. In the early days there was a definite expectation that you wore a shirt and tie, in the same way as other professionals in office jobs.

That changed for me when I went to work for a small start up in the late '90s (i.e. the dot-com era) when, after two weeks in the new job, I realised that I was the only one turning up in a shirt and tie, and it made me look a bit pretentious and silly.

After that, I think the casual era has dominated in the technology industry. I only used to dress more smartly on the rare occasions I was being visited by someone outside the company. I do remember one time that I was representing our company at a seminar about a new technical standard in 2010-ish. I noticed that the other attendees were wearing suits if they were managers and jeans if they were programmers -- so I was unusual for being a programmer in a suit (which possibly just reflects an old-fashioned view that you dress appropriately at an external event because you are representing your employer).

Now that I am rerired then it is jeans every day. My one good suit only comes out at funerals and weddings, so it will probably last a lifetime.

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